lagilman: Does Not Play Well With Stupid People (stupid people)

[personal profile] lagilman 2005-12-19 03:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Pat Robertson is not exactly on speaking terms with what the rest of the world calls 'reality.'

[identity profile] booraven22.livejournal.com 2005-12-19 04:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I keep saying he needs to get BACK ON his meds.

Just..::facepalms::

Goes back to sleep...
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[identity profile] wiliqueen.livejournal.com 2005-12-19 04:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Wordy McWord with a supersize side of word.

I swear, I can't go through a day any more without a mental image of Jesus facepalming at some new inanity, and thinking "Dude, when I warned them they'd be persecuted, I didn't mean they should go INVENTING it..."

[identity profile] neadods.livejournal.com 2005-12-19 05:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I keep thinking of this fantastic bit from the Screwtape Letters, where Screwtape is telling Wormwood to get his guy to focus only on the little bumps, setbacks, and disasters that he has and never see any real suffering, lest he suddenly understand how good his life really is.

[identity profile] neadods.livejournal.com 2005-12-19 05:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Not to mention automatically Godwin-ing his argument.

[identity profile] fiona64.livejournal.com 2005-12-19 06:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Truely, as Pat Robertson says, "Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different... Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history."

Isn't it astonishing that suddenly the majority religion (as a practitioner of Wicca, I can certainly admit to Christianity being the majority) of this country is so oppressed? @@

I'd like to know how many Christians have been forbidden to instruct their children in their own religion, as the Wiccan couple in Indiana was. I'd like to know how many Christians have had their religion declared by the President to be "not really a religion" as Wiccans across the country have seen in this administration? I'd like to know how many Christians had to go to the US Supreme Court to *have* their religion declared legitimate ... or been suspended from school for wearing symbols of their religious faith ... or lost custody battles because of their religious faith and nothing else ... all things that have happened to Wiccans.

Don't even get me started on the religious intolerance toward Muslims, Native Americans, Jews ... the latter, according to the president of the Southern Baptist Convention (as quoted in Jimmy Carter's new book, "Our Endangered Values"), being ignored by their deity, as "God does not hear the prayers of a Jew."

Cry me a fucking river, Robertson.

[identity profile] neadods.livejournal.com 2005-12-19 06:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Jon Stewart did a brilliant parody of this very rant on the Daily Show once. "I see a future where the people can be openly Christian and wear the symbols of their faith. Possibly around their necks. And they will have stores catering to them, and a President can be elected even though he's Christian..."

What I couldn't resist in the links above was the comparison of Christians who are being brutally oppressed vs people who have their knickers in a knot over an advertising campaign.

[identity profile] fiona64.livejournal.com 2005-12-19 07:28 pm (UTC)(link)
What I couldn't resist in the links above was the comparison of Christians who are being brutally oppressed vs people who have their knickers in a knot over an advertising campaign.

And, to further make the point ... it's not an "advertising campaign." Stores are trying to be inclusive, by recognizing that there is more than one faith with a winter holiday.

I know I'm preaching to the choir here, obviously. It's just that the whole "war on Christianity" thing is such bullshit, and it really irritates the crap out of me. I think that people everywhere should be able to worship as they choose ... I don't care if the object of their adoration is a padlock; it's their choice. I am just as annoyed at regimes like those you describe, which prevent people from choosing Christianity, as I am at our current administration, which obviously wants to prevent people from choosing anything *but* Christianity.

[identity profile] starcat-jewel.livejournal.com 2005-12-19 08:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd like to know how many Christians have been forbidden to instruct their children in their own religion, as the Wiccan couple in Indiana was. I'd like to know how many Christians have had their religion declared by the President to be "not really a religion" as Wiccans across the country have seen in this administration? I'd like to know how many Christians had to go to the US Supreme Court to *have* their religion declared legitimate ... or been suspended from school for wearing symbols of their religious faith ... or lost custody battles because of their religious faith and nothing else ... all things that have happened to Wiccans.

Indeed. It may encourage you to know that I have, from time to time, been able to break thru to a few of the "Christians are persecuted in America" types by asking them exactly that. Once I point out some of the REAL persecution faced by non-Christians, they tend to be rather stunned. Most of them have lived such protected lives that they honestly have no idea what really goes on in this country; it may well be that I'm the first non-Christian they've ever known (not counting "nominal Christians", those who are really areligious but still self-identify as Christian). And at least one of those eventually broke with Christianity after being exposed to some Real People of other faiths. He couldn't reconcile what his church had been telling him with what he was finding out.

*sigh* Of course, that last is precisely the reason for things like the "War On Christmas" campaign -- the only way to prevent people from waking up and smelling the coffee is to get rid of the coffee.