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neadods ([personal profile] neadods) wrote2008-05-14 06:19 pm
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Fandom, Knitting, and the BBC

Well. Been an educational morning. I've corrected the Firefox News article, and I wanted to expand here, with personal opinions. (ETA: And edit as I hear more of what was going on)

First of all, the BBC has not been expanding their witchhunt. The creator of Extermaknitty took that down voluntarily under no pressure from the BBC.

Second, the BBC has spoken publicly about this.

The story as I understand it (and now edited due to corrections in comments) for those coming in late, goes much like this: A fan called "Mazzmatazz" is one of the Who knitters, who maintains a website with a variety of Who-derived patterns. She is known for her speed; her Adupose pattern (or however one spells that) hit the web within 48 hours of Partners in Crime. The site has been around for a while, and the BBC is ignoring it, as it ignores all the other fan sites.

Then someone who is not Mazzmatazz starts selling stuff based on her patterns on eBay for personal profit.

Mazz turns to the BBC, and that's where it all went wrong. ETA: I've been corrected. She went to eBay; eBay went to BBC. To the best of my knowledge, the BBC shut down the auctions, but it also hit Mazz with a cease-and-desist order that, from the wording excerpted on the Web, is a pretty standard form. Mazz complains loud and long, considering the BBC's history of ignoring fan crafting sites. Mazz obeys the terms of the C&D telling fandom why the patterns are coming down. The story is picked up by the Open Rights Group, a lobbying organization for digital rights, and also ends up all over Ravelry (the massive online knitting community) and mentioned in several major blogs.

Other fan sites start voluntarily taking their patterns down, such as the famous Extermaknit dalek. Communities start archiving patterns under lock, the Wayback Machine gets a workout (it has both Extermaknit and the Adupose (I suppose I need to learn to spell this if I'm going to keep talking about it)), and a merry trade in photocopies that I haven't seen since before the pre-Internet days springs up.

Now: my opinion, which has undergone a drastic change after learning more facts (including after this post was first written). While the eBay auction should have been shut down, and while Mazz was providing a service that brought much innocent amusement to the fans, and while there is a long history of fannish patterns for all sorts of crafts free on the web, once the BBC had official notice the entire playing field changes.

The BBC is pretty up front about their policy, right there in the press release. It's not that we don't admire creativity from fans - most of the time, we take the view that if it's small-scale and not for profit, then we turn a blind eye. They were, and are, turning a blind eye to the fan stuff. But legally, like it or not, when they have *official notice* of something, they CANNOT continue their willful blindness, or legally that is seen as abrogating their hold on their trademark.

A long time ago, [livejournal.com profile] boogiebabe_smap was in a car accident. It was a wet night, she was stopped waiting for a turn, and the truck behind her hit her and pushed her into the car in front of her. In order to sue the guy who actually caused the accident, the man in front also had to sue her, the one who had actually damaged his car. He was very sorry for that, and apologized, and did not pursue that side of the lawsuit. But he still had to do it, because that was the law. The law did not make exceptions for "she was just as much a victim." Trademark law does not make exceptions for "all the fans do it."

Yes, the letter that Mazz has excerpted was cold, unfriendly, and distinctly unencouraging. C&Ds are like that on purpose... after all, they exist to make someone stop doing what they're doing. I'm an old school fan, and not just in Who - I know of the C&Ds that came down for fanzines, and they were inevitably due to someone jumping up and down in front of TPTB and daring them to do something about it. (And frankly, the cure was to go quiet, wait for the fuss to die down, and republish under another name, and let TPTB go back to ignoring them.)

But I also see that the BBC is willing to say, in public, that they want to talk with her about licensing her patterns. That also means something. Because if they really were trying to slam Mazz down, they'd hardly put *that* in the public record! Who knows - there was once an official BBC knitting pattern book, and I think that a new licensed book like that - Mazz's patterns, BBC's intellectual property - would at this point be the best outcome for the whole issue.

And in the meantime, the Open Rights Project may or may not make a case that clarifies everyone's rights. That would be nice.
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[identity profile] scarlettgirl.livejournal.com 2008-05-14 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
That certainly does put a different spin on things. All in all, the BBC statement was rather even-handed and apologetic. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

I have the DW knitting book. Oh Em Gee...

[identity profile] avidbeader.livejournal.com 2008-05-14 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Having kept up with the original Ravelry thread, Mazz did not appeal to the BBC, only to eBay to take down the copies of her patterns and the knitted Adiposes being sold. Someone, quite possibly the eBay person, in turn reported Mazz to the BBC and started this whole mess.

[identity profile] neadods.livejournal.com 2008-05-15 01:03 am (UTC)(link)
I got the impression from the [livejournal.com profile] who_knits thread that she had talked to them directly before the C&D. Obviously from the comment below I'm wrong; will edit.
Edited 2008-05-15 01:04 (UTC)

[identity profile] maypanic.livejournal.com 2008-05-15 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
It's my understanding that Mazz did not "turn to the BBC"- she reported the person who was selling her patterns on ebay to TPTB at ebay, and apparently that unethical ebay seller reported her to the BBC. Her first contact with the BBC was the c&d from them.

She promptly removed the patterns, came to the communities and calmly but regretfully explained to other users why she was removing them.

Other users strongly encouraged- one could go so far as to say begged- her to contact the Open Rights Group to ask them to fight it.

[identity profile] neadods.livejournal.com 2008-05-15 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
I got the impression from a comment thread that she had contacted them directly. *sigh* Obviously I need to STFU. However, having edited to stop saying "You idiot!" the rest of my opinion stands. Legally, the BBC had no choice once they heard. And that they are willing to say publicly that they're willing to work with her does mean a lot. So does that they have essentially given official notice of their willful blindness policy.

[identity profile] maypanic.livejournal.com 2008-05-15 01:48 am (UTC)(link)
Yep, I can see how they could feel they had to issue a c&d. I still feel bad for Mazz, who was only trying to do fun stuff with other fans- but the recent BBC press comments should help calm the panic among other fan-knitters.

The previous quote from BBC Brand Protection was "Sales of genuine merchandise are used to fund the BBC, meaning that expensive high-tech programmes like DR WHO can be made. If everyone was allowed to make their own DR WHO merchandise then BBC would get less revenue and series like DR WHO might not get made."
Which is idiotic, so apparently their PR people have stepped in now with damage control.

[identity profile] neadods.livejournal.com 2008-05-15 02:20 am (UTC)(link)
apparently their PR people have stepped in now with damage control.

Obviously, because they don't have a leg to stand on about people being allowed to make their own merch after the Blue Peter crafts.
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[identity profile] spiralsheep.livejournal.com 2008-05-15 10:18 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, and especially all the Blue Peter make-its which have presumably infringed on non-BBC copyrights &etc. over the years.

[identity profile] harmonyfb.livejournal.com 2008-05-15 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
Ahhhhh. That explains a LOT.
Edited 2008-05-15 01:43 (UTC)
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[identity profile] iko.livejournal.com 2008-05-15 02:39 am (UTC)(link)
Our group on Ravelry just discovered the sudden disappearance of the doctorwhoscarf.com this afternoon and evening and we're working to get more information about that. We're not jumping to conclusions about whether it is related and a number of us are attempting to contact the owner of doctorwhoscarf.com to see what's up.

[identity profile] neadods.livejournal.com 2008-05-15 10:11 am (UTC)(link)
That looks like a hijack or unpaid bill to me, based on the fact that it isn't down, but outright replaced with something that has nothing to do with the URL. Especially as I had specifically checked it (and it was there) yesterday morning as I wrote the FFN article.
Edited 2008-05-15 10:12 (UTC)

[identity profile] kradical.livejournal.com 2008-05-15 02:42 am (UTC)(link)
You do realize that that subject line perfectly sums up your journal, yeah? *grin*

[identity profile] neadods.livejournal.com 2008-05-15 10:12 am (UTC)(link)
:P And books and bentos!

[identity profile] zinelady.livejournal.com 2008-05-15 04:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, that sucks.

At least I saved the Dalek pattern when I printed it out to knit the evil family, but I had only bookmarked the adipose pattern to knit later. And they looked so cute. I should have cut and pasted.

[identity profile] neadods.livejournal.com 2008-05-15 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
The Wayback Machine has the Adipose.

[identity profile] zinelady.livejournal.com 2008-05-15 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I must be going to the wrong site. The Wayback machine I tried only went to 2005 for http://www.mazzmatazz.co.uk/ It said that pages usually aren't available until 6 months after they posted.

[identity profile] neadods.livejournal.com 2008-05-16 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
I found it somewhere. Gonna be at M*W?

[identity profile] zinelady.livejournal.com 2008-05-16 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
Yep, I'll be there! Might be the last for a while depending on how long we stay in New Zealand.
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[personal profile] fyrdrakken 2008-05-15 07:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Considering that what I was hearing when the first posts were hitting [livejournal.com profile] who_knits were along the lines of wondering why the hell the BBC pulled out the C&D instead of looking into licensing the patterns, I'm pleased to hear the update about a new pattern book. (Also, the impression I got at the time was that the BBC wasn't necessarily notified by eBay, but rather by the person whose auction got yanked reacting somewhat vengefully against the original designer who got their auction yanked. This being mere speculation at the time, though.)

ETA: Also, I clearly had not read the other comments on this entry before posting this. But I remain pleased by the discussion of a pattern book, that being the big complaint I remember from the original [livejournal.com profile] who_knits post, about them refusing to let amateurs do something the BBC wasn't troubling to do "officially."
Edited 2008-05-15 19:39 (UTC)

[identity profile] jonquil.livejournal.com 2008-05-16 03:53 am (UTC)(link)
Well said.