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Who Daily/T3/Sonic: lj user="neadods"> a href="http://neadods.livejournal.com/700594.html">has a liveblog of squee for all three shows

And this little fangirl goes "Squee! Squee! Squee! all the way home.

It didn't hurt that we start out with a big old heaping helping of fanservice between sardonic Ianto and Mr. Smith. The Sarah Jane fans have been speculating since Invasion of the Bane that Mr. Smith actually played that fanfare as his startup music, and now we know for sure! (BBC, why is this not a download mp3?)

I'm happy with the title credits. It was going to get ugly somewhere if all the companions weren't named, but they were. Technically even in (reverse) order, if you're counting School Reunion for Lis.

"Atmospheric shell" or not, should I even be asking about the tides, with the moon replaced with a couple dozen planets? Probably not.

Namecheck for Maria & Clyde, huzzah! I'd've liked to have seen them, but at least they haven't been ignored. And so Maria and Alan are in Cornwall, eh? Bit of foreshawdowing there, I think.

Ah, I see Torchwood isn't going to have any major changes in standard operating procedures here on Who. Not with that little exchange suggesting that Jack's still screwing secrets out of soldiers.

Rose has certainly changed, though, to not even look around as shots fly behind her and people fall.

Should I be asking why pull a planet through space and hold in its atmosphere only to kill everyone on it? Nope? All righty then. Because "culling" != "blasting from low orbit."

Aaaaand another spoiler bites the dust. Not only isn't the Shadow Proclamation not angry at the Doctor, they're not convinced he is who he says he is. Which makes sense, considering the whole "wiped from time" thing. But you can't take that man anywhere nice - notice how he steps on one of the chairs?

Namecheck "Woman Wept" - nice tie in to Nine's run - namecheck Klom (heh) - namecheck Calufrax, HAH! That is totally a shoutout to fandom, even if the name's misspelled on the comm. Or on the show, whichever.

Once again, I love Donna to bits. "Just as important as a Time Lord, thank you." And look at the smile on the Doctor's face!

Speaking of which, how big was the grin on Nick Briggs' face when he got to say "Annihilate UNIT!"?

I know that they've been predicting the death of a companion, but I simply don't believe that Martha's really dead. And still with the wierdo predictions of doom to Donna? Bugger.

The bees are going back HOME? BWAhahahahahaaaa!

"An you will lead us into battle!" Oh, he must be going through 72 kinds of PTSD hell at those words. Well, if the Shadow Proclamation wasn't pissed at him now, they're about to be in around three seconds.

Wilf is my new hero (again). A paintgun is a pretty good idea... well, in theory. It's not like daleks could be taken out *that* easily.

"D'ya wanna swap?" Wilf, I adore you to pieces, I truly do.

"I came here when I was just a kid. Ninety years old." Yes, it's a funny line, but considering the age of the people he likes to take with him, a little bit creepy too. I've long since felt the Doctor was a bit of a pedo by his species' standards.

Sarah Jane, I can't believe you're giving up. And not even mentioning the bit about "I told the Doctor he should have crossed those wires in 1975!" I can't believe that Jack's giving up either.

"Captain Jack Harkness, shame on you!" GO HARRIET JONES! HARRIET FOR THE WIN! Spoilers about her selling out the world my ass!

Half my friends list is going to be pissed off that I laughed at "I wanna get through" and the other half laughed harder.

YES! YES!! YES!!! Jack has been paying attention to the SJA! ~~I totally ficced that~~ And he flirts with Sarah! AND SHE FLIRTS BACK! YES!!! If the story screws up later, no matter how badly, this episode is completely perfect just because of that. *does insane happy dance* 2/3 of my OT3 have canonically cooed at each other!

At this moment in time, I don't even mind that the air conditioning is broken.

I deeply appreciate that they've brought right out Harriet's history with the Doctor. Although I would have assumed that she'd be swept back into power after the Saxon debacle - after all, she stabilized Britain after one disaster in Downing Street - I'm happier than I can say that she stands by what she did and why. Because I've believed all along that Harriet's original actions were right.

Although... if the subnet is supposed to seek out Companions, it should be picking something up from Rose. I guess we're handwaving that she can see it because of her companionship, but that she can't contact back because of a lack of webcam.

"I was there first." All right, you're feeling left out, but Rose, that was really selfish. And foolish. The only person who knows that you've breached the universes is also MIA, have you noticed that? And even cutting out all the knee-jerk old school references, Nine told you to your face "I've traveled with a lot of people" and you've already met Sarah Jane.

Harriet, I'm so proud that you're willing to go out a hero, but the signal is going to be coming from 13 Bannerman Road or the hub, not your place.

All right, British fans, I know *someone* has tried it - what happens when you call that number?

Has anyone ficced a conversation between Jack and Ianto about the Doctor? Because Ianto hasn't got to have too many fond feelings about the guy, not after T1 told him he was the enemy, his meddling was part of the reason why Lisa was cyberized, and he more or less kidnapped Jack (from Torchwood's point of view.)

The spoiler that Rose is reliving a time loop appears to be falsified, considering that she didn't know about the call and she worried about contacting Harriet instead of knowing that this is how it all worked out the first time.

The spoiler that Harriet becomes a dalek - always based on some pretty tenuous nonsense - is now falsified. I am more than a little surprised that they let her talk for so long, but she went out a heroine. The Doctor had damn well better learn that, and acknowledge it.

Don't do shots of the TARDIS in flight. Seriously, don't. It looks so stupid.

What is it Ianto says when Gwen says "I thought he'd be older"? Gone over it a couple of times and didn't get it.

Jack's been having PTSD all episode, and now it's Sarah Jane's turn.

Everlasting death for the most faithful companion. Place your bets! Early hints have pointed to Donna, but it's Jack's resurrection ability that makes his death "everlasting" and Rose, having crossed the void on her own, is ranking high for most faithful. Place your bets! (I'd seriously be worrying about Sarah Jane if I didn't know that her second season is already filming.)

Heh. I remember seeing YouTube footage of David running down the empty street.

"I'm goin' like Tosh." Nice nod to continuity; I'm glad to see that the loss of Owen and Tosh won't go unmentioned. And while I'd think that running would be wiser, I'm quite proud of Gwen.

Rose, you of all people knows what happens next! Part of me understands how upset and frightened Rose is; another part cynically thinks that the way Rose is going on suggests that she won't be able to love a third Doctor, just as she was so fond of Nine but only schmoopy over Ten. "But you can't!" reinforces that. Why can't he? The alternative is pretty dire.

I would be REALLY worried over Sarah Jane if I didn't know about the second season of SJA. Ditto Gwen and Ianto.

Hmmm... I don't think there's ever been a regeneration where you don't see the new face by the end credits. So while part of me is thinking "so much for the stories of him being offered millions to stay!" the rest is thinking that this is some sort of fakeout... although hell if I can imagine how!

AUGH! No trailer for next week!

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"Number not recognised."

What a pity! It should have been something like the BBC automated line.

I think in Series 1 it probably would've been, but BBC budgets aren't what they used to be.

Oh, I think it's a fakeout. Or there'll be a reset. We know Tennant has been filming the Christmas Special, and there have been set photos for scenes we haven't seen yet with him in them.

I wasn't happy with Rose's jealousy coming out again either, but I can rationalise it with her massive disappointment when the fourth quadrant was filled and it wasn't her. She's desperate to get to the Doctor and she thought this was her chance... and then it was a woman she didn't even know. She knew everyone else on the screen. So, yes, it was petty and childish, but I'm thinking it was huge disappointment and frustration, on the level of being close to tears, when yet again she couldn't get to where she needs to be.

LOVED Harriet Jones. But is she really exterminated? I'm not convinced. We didn't actually see her die.

Anyway. Is it next week yet???

I wasn't happy with Rose's jealousy, but I'm really freaking about her freaking over the regeneration. That so comes across as the only Doctor for her is Ten, considering that she went through one regeneration and got an even closer bond with the Doctor!

I'm pretty convinced Harriet's toast in this loop/reality/timeline. I'm just surprised it took them that long to kill her.

I was freaking over the regeneration, too. I thought the Doctor literally couldn't regenerate after a Dalek shot.

I'd assume not, but he had to have survived the Time War somehow.

My five-year-old has always loved Mr. Smith's music, and keeps asking me if Sarah Jane can hear it, or is it just "on the TV". I've always told her it was just "on the TV"--looks like yet another thing she's right about, and I'm wrong...

I laughed SO HARD at Rose wanting to get through. I'm sorry, I love Rose, really, but...I laughed.

HARRIET JONES FOR THE ABSOFRAGGIN' WIN. I'd successfully made it this far without any spoilers, so I was not expecting her.

I vote that...he regenerates looking exactly the same? Given that we've seen that Time Lords can choose their own shapes when they want to (Romana), and that he's just met Rose again and sees that she's upset that he might be changing again?

But why should Rose be so upset? Last regeneration resulted in a stronger bond with her.

Ah, I see Torchwood isn't going to have any major changes in standard operating procedures here on Who. Not with that little exchange suggesting that Jack's still screwing secrets out of soldiers.

But it was strictly professional! :)

Speaking of PTSD, Ianto is going to be in *such* bad shape after this. Daleks. Again. In Torchwood killing people (or at least trying to). Again. Jack running off with the Doctor. Again. This boy is going to need some serious therapy.

I'm still disappointed in the amount of "And now we brave companions stand around a wail and wait to die" in this ep, but overall? OMG OMG OMG!

Oh, and Ianto's response to Gwen was "He's not that young." And I think that on top of his other PTSD issues, I think Ianto's having some serious insecurity/jealousy issues. The soldier, Martha, the Doctor... he's got to be feeling a bit shoved to the side.

I did adore the nods to Torchwood backstory that you'd only know if you watched Torchwood. In less than 30 seconds we get reminded that Ianto has faced the Daleks before and we're reminded of how Tosh went out. Brilliant!

Jack should have been a mental case by the end of last season; I rather like the Media*West suggestion that the same thing that resets his life and heals his wounds is keeping him sane as well. Because he needs something.

Ianto... well, the fandom's going to love him working out his issues, we both know it!

I agree that there was an awful lot of "we're screwed" from the companions, which I handwave as filler, as we have seen them all save the world on their own. And there's a certain amount of PTSD on Jack's part - they're the ones who put him in his half-life, really - and Sarah Jane's. Although if she doesn't get in one dig about "I told you so" to the Doctor by the end credits next week, I'm going to be very disappointed.

Ianto said, "He's not THAT young." *g*

Rose's jealousy didn't bother me - it was petty and childish, but she was so disappointed to not be included, and it mirrored Martha's feelings about her last season. Should be fun if they meet.

I had been looking forward to Jack and Rose meeting again, but he didn't even say hi! I wonder if there's a plot reason as to why Rose felt Ten needed to stay Ten. Just fear that he would be out of commission like he was in Christmas Invasion, or something more?

Just fear that he would be out of commission like he was in Christmas Invasion

That, at least, is a nonshippy reason for her fear that I can go with.

My thought before seeing this was he ends up creating a Watcher, but I didn't expect to see the start of a full regeneration. Still, it's the only thing that comes to mind. There's enough past continuity being used here that I can't rule it out, yet.

IIRC, the watcher was only used from 4 to 5 and never again, so I'm not sure how bound they're going to feel to use it.

Bound? They don't seem to feel bound to use anything. This is Who, after all.

As for the Watcher, since it was never properly explained, I always lumped the 'mental projection' K'anpo Rimpoche used just before the 3rd's regeneration into the same category: 'weirdness surrounding a regeneration'.

The spoiler that Harriet becomes a dalek - always based on some pretty tenuous nonsense - is now falsified.

Out of the whole spoiler list that's the one that really had me worried because how OOC would that have been but, wow, well played Harriet Jones! Was expecting to see her but was prepared for the worst, or a pre-death cameo at most, but this was great.

I'm willing to argue that Harriet has always shown more class than the Doctor.

She made me proud. She did as she ever did - what she thought was best for the people in her care, whether it was just her constituency or the whole country or the whole world. And I think we've not seen the last of her. Afterall there was that little plot thing about the creation of the software that has got to be explained at some point, even if we just see her before her death. But go Harriet, you strong British woman, you equal of companions, you good politician (and I know which of those is rarest, I work with politicians).

Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could elect the politicians on the telly? Bartlett would be a better President than just about any option.

Sometimes yes. Or it would be nice to have the insights to politians that tv gives us. I work in local government, know most of my county councillors in person, and it means I know which ones I'd trust, but politics works at such a distance from most people that we can't know anything about them but what they themselves say and their opposition. My job has given me the chance to see that the problem with politics isn't actually the politians half the time, it's the fact that people are so far removed from the process and we're meant to be the driving force behind it. Democracy. Only for politicians.

I don't think there's ever been a regeneration where you don't see the new face by the end credits. So while part of me is thinking "so much for the stories of him being offered millions to stay!" the rest is thinking that this is some sort of fakeout... although hell if I can imagine how!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGUUUUUUUUUUHHHHH!

Seconded...

BTW, you may not have actually overlooked this, but when you wrote down your email addy you left out half of it....

?? What, the bit at the very top? That's broken on purpose, so that the newsletter people can just grab it, code and all, and drop in the two missing brackets. A lot of us do the newsletters by cut and paste... look at a

who_daily sometime and think of pasting the name, then pasting the title, then pasting the link... three switches of screen for each and every listing; sometimes four for fic to get spoilers and rating lines.

So I came up with the idea of top-posting with broken code, in the hopes of starting a fashion and taking some of the brunt off the newsletter people.

Er, top? Of?

No, I meant in Hagerstown, when we were exchanging information.

Sorry, firing on one-half cylinder at present.

Don't remember. Ping me at this screenname on aol.com.

I've heard that the BBC is going to be releasing a trailer tomorrow on the net for E13.

Rose has certainly changed, though, to not even look around as shots fly behind her and people fall.

This did make me a little sad. It seemed like she didn't care anymore and that's upsetting to me.

HARRIET FOR THE WIN!

Indeed. I like to think that the Doctor was wrong about her and I hope that he learns that he was.

And he flirts with Sarah! AND SHE FLIRTS BACK! YES!!!

I actually fistpumped at that. Because Jack/Sarah Jane is totally hot and awesome. I love it!

"I was there first." All right, you're feeling left out, but Rose, that was really selfish. And foolish.

This made me sad, too. Not the Rose I want.

Yes, well... certain spoilers about continuing seasons and "Next" seasons are just about all that's keeping me from knocking planes out of the sky with keening wails for SJS and the others...
Wilf- I love you, you have a brain and ought to be traveling with the Doctor too!

LOVE that Jack flirted with SJS, AND that both Jack and the Doctor wanted to know who Luke was! (As in, waitaminute, she's single, who's this kid? Her SON!?!?! WHAT!?)
And Luke's first words out of his mouth? OI- if there was ever any doubt about him being Doctor 2.0 ...
(Would LOVE to see them meet face to face!)

Glad to see that Rose was a bit more mature,(Despite the certain level of selfish and childishness displayed,) it was NOT played NEARLY as maudlin as I feared it would be.

"Everlasting death for the most faithful companion" SINGLE?
I could have sworn I heard an "S" on the end of that, which would imply all of them biting it, which (of course) means that they will find SOMEWAY to bring them all back because we all know that death is not forever in the Whoniverse.
And of course- NOW that they've broken the "Time-Lock" on the Great Time War, there WILL be others showing up, eventually. You know it. (Possibly paving the way for Romana or the Rani?)

So yeah- fairly incoherent over here, and all I can really say is Cracktastic, Crack-tacular, OMG you really DID manage to put one over on us Rusty..

"...we all know that death is not forever in the Whoniverse."

um. Sorry. Sorry....

I think Adric, for one,would beg to differ. If he wasn't dead, that is....

er....

Sorry.

***************

Other than that, this sounds positively glorious! Wish I'd seen it, instead of going to supper with my folks....

Oh, well yes... Don't be sorry, -you HAVE a point there. :D

I still maintain that it would be possible for the Doctor to rescue Adric. Not Five because it seems that the same regen crossing time lines is worst than another regeneration. Because no one actually saw him die afterall. They saw the ship crash and burn NOT Adric die.

But then I've been watching too much Old Who apparently, as evidenced by my reaction to the idea that all the companions alive were being contacted. Afterall, is Harry, Tegan, Adam etc etc all dead? (watched Invasion of the Bane for the first time yesterday, you wouldn't believe how much I squee over the photos of the Brig and Harry on SJS's wall and then suggesting their names first when naming Luke). Maybe they also couldn't get to devices to contact back, or maybe Harriet Jones was only expect the ones she had up on the screen and the rest where because she didn't know they were there? Or maybe I just adore Harry too much, because in his day he was the Doctor's action man. And you have to admit a man who runs around a set without shoes for most of four episodes is cool.

Edited 2008-06-29 10:36 (UTC)

I think we're supposed to handwave this as the companions that Harriet would know about, which would be all the New Who ones. Otherwise, companionapalooza would be so stuffed that nobody would have time for more than one line!

I know, but still, for me - fun. I'm one of these people who kind of exist between Old and New Who fans. I'm an Old Who fan because I remember watching it before it got cancelled and watched it through my childhood before that point (all four years of it) and at the same time complete rediscovered it with New Who again. So Old fan and yet know so little about it that it's one great big discovery. It means I can get a little carried away with the knowledge I do gain. And I have a very long boring bus journey twice a day so do far too much thinking about all the other companions that would be walking on this earth right now. So in my mind they're there, they just can't do anything or talk to Harriet, and I think that possibility is there. A kind of gift to ficwriters who are so inclined but easy to ignore if you want.

I'll be shocked if that fic doesn't show up, although I'm still supposed to be getting that Joan one out that I've talked about twice.

Actually, the Doctor wasn't at all responsible for Lisa; he tried to stop Torchwood 1, who were the ones whose meddling brought through the Cybermen.

I think Rose wasn't operating on logic there at the end. Yes, she knows he'll still be the Doctor, but she had to adjust to Ten after Nine. She knows a lot will change. After so long, it just seems unfair she wouldn't get back to the Doctor she knew. It's very human of her.

The Doctor wasn't responsible for Lisa, but he didn't help either - and I doubt Ianto is operating on logic when he thinks about Lisa even now.

Rose is being human, but she's also being the worst of humanity, worrying about herself when there's a world in crisis that needs to be saved. She's arguably being the worst of *Rose* too - she didn't fuss about her feelings first in Satan Pit or Tooth and Claw, or half a dozen other S2 eps that didn't show her off very well but still left her more concerned about people than this one did.

Sarah Jane annoyed me first time round by continually screaming (as a child, I preferred Leela, who didn't scream - she just bit people). I like Lis Sladen but the character still annoys me, which is a shame. Come on, SJ! Remember you're British, dammit!

Oh, I didn't like Sarah Jane at all as a kid, not with the kickass Leela to compare her to!

But I've loved the Sarah Jane of my adulthood. I'm handwaving the crying and the pleading as PTSD and attempts to lure attention away from her son.

I feel compelled to stick up for Rose. Of all the companions that we know Harriet got through to she is the youngest. And we have to examine her relationship with the Doctor. As much as anyone might want to get away from the shippiness of that relationship I think it is unavoidable. Dealing with them seperately I think Rose seriously developed in her feelings about him. She spends most of her time with Nine describing him as a friend. And that's how she treats him. Heck she's still with Mickey, flirts with Adam, and Jack (although can't blame her for that, who wouldn't?). And then she thinks he's going to die. She thinks she's going to lose him completely. So she rips into the heart of the TARDIS and creates Bad Wolf to get back to him. I stand by my view that until that episode she was not in love with him. And reguardless of how he feels about her this was as much cause for the change in their relationship as his regeneration. She falls in love with a man and then he completely changes. I wouldn't say she got particularly closer to him in the second series. If anything he pushs her away several times. So no, I think she has ever reason to be scared and upset. It's not the "right" thing to do, it's not rational, it's emotional, and by heck wouldn't you be a bit emotional and not really thinking at this point if you were her?!

As for the jealousy. Well she does get jealous over him. I do put it down to frustration. Again, as calm as she appears who says that's what she's actually feeling? Sorry if I like the fact that she has emotional reactions to things that would be emotional for her.

Not done a very good job standing up for Rose, but hopefully I gotten across that I think that far more than the other companions her reactions are so often emotional and emotion driven, but I think that's part of why the Doctor invited her in the first place (she saved the day back in Rose because of her emotions, and then she endeared herself (not like him I know but it's there alright) to him at the end of the End of the World because of her emotional responce to the end of the world and him explaining his loss.

I agree that Rose's reactions tend to be the most emotion-driven, but I still think that last night we got to see almost only the dark side not just of emotion, but of Rose. We've seen her parted from the Doctor before and she got on with the job of saving the world, but last night she seemed more interested in making sure that she got her precedence than doing the job in front of her - and it certainly came across as precedence, what with her insisting (while looking at Sarah Jane!) "I was first."

We KNOW Rose is smarter and more proactive than that, we *watched* her learn twice in a row that the Doctor's hearts hold more than one person... and yet the Rose we got to see was not that person.

But notice that all her insisting that "she's first" is done only when she's, in effect, alone. (Donna's family are strangers and don't have the context to understand.) How many times have we said things when "nobody" was around that we wouldn't say in front of people who know what we're talking about?

(Considering how much I disliked Rose's possessiveness in series 2, I'm surprised to find myself defending her.)

There is that. But there are so many other lines she could have been given that wouldn't make her sound so self-centered. "I'm here!" "I want to help!" "I can help, let me in!" "Don't forget me!" Anything except "I was first!" and especially while she's looking at the woman who preceded her!

I have the growing feeling that Rose's motivation is now very much grounded in a time in her past we've not seen. Hopefully we'll come to understand her comments a bit more after next week. Because I can speculate and stick up for her until the cows come home but if RTD doesn't deliver something more for his Rose then it's going to be very disappointing until we get the chance to move on with a new companion. He's obviously not had much a chance to explore all of the companions feelings here and it seems Rose is the worst, and well, Rusty's not so great at subtly.

I really hope that I am actually making some kind of sense. I's still rather . . . reacting, to last night's episode. I need to watch it again, but Top Gear clashes with the BBC3 repeat so it's going to have to wait until later in the week.

I need to watch it again too, and two sets of confidentials.

But I keep thinking of all the lines he could have given Rose that wouldn't come off so self-centered. "I'm here! I can help! Listen to me!" would have been great.

The spoiler that Harriet becomes a dalek - always based on some pretty tenuous nonsense - is now falsified.

Don't count your chickens, there -- all we saw was that Harriet's screen went blank. We did *not* see her die. Considering that the daleks were taking humans on board for "experiments", they could have gotten orders at the last second to either not shoot her and take her along, OR go ahead and kill her but take a tissue sample.

We heard them say "Exterminate!" and the sound of their guns, so I'm pretty solidly betting on dead. Why take a tissue sample from someone who has worked against you? It's only opening the door to trouble.

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Dalek Harriet?

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