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Aurora Australis readalong 4 / 10, A Pony Watch, by George Marston, post for comment, reaction, discussion, fanworks, links, and whatever obliquely related matters your heart desires. You can join the readalong at any time or skip sections or go back to earlier posts. It's all good. :-)

Text (warning for a pony being shot offscreen):
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Aurora_Australis/A_Pony_Watch

Readalong intro and reaction post links:
https://spiralsheep.dreamwidth.org/662515.html

Reminder for next week: Southward Bound by Lapsus Linguæ (anon)
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Aurora_Australis/Southward_Bound

Manchurian ponies, including a link to newsreel footage of the Nimrod expedition embarking with 10 ponies in New Zealand (warning for animal cruelty):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amourski

Photo of Shackleton's Manchurian pony Socks, who walked closer to the South Pole than any other modern equine.

Quote from the Polar Ponies page at Long Riders. )

Vocabulary quote from A Pony Watch: "Rouse and shine" not rise and shine.

This week's food obsession: is cocoa better with sea salt? ;-)

Not much to say about this one. I pity the ponies, although as working ponies their lives wouldn't necessarily have been better or longer elsewhere. And I reckon I could deal with Antarctica but not the sea journey, ugh.
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Fit the first, poll post:
https://spiralsheep.dreamwidth.org/666133.html

"You know what to do with your fear of a mask - but how do you begin to approach the bones that hold it up?"

Humans are mostly the only animals who can choose to think about their surroundings using more than one conceptual framework. Most of us do this naturally all the time without consciously mode-switching (and a surprising percentage of people become confused or scared if they become aware of this typically unconscious mode-switching).

And, yes, capri0mni was correct to note that my "when is a boat not a boat" poll is related to the classic argument about the Ship of Theseus because it's a question of the identity of a non-conscious object.

I think there are two possible arguments in play: one about context and human perception; and one about objective versus subjective physicality.

1. Context and human perception

1a. I encountered the boat in the context of a museum where it's presented as an individual boat with a traceable history. But as a museum exhibit it's also representing the idea of a boat and of all the other historic boats that aren't present.

1b. If I'd encountered the boat in the context of an art gallery where it was displayed as conceptual art of a boat, with an explanation of the concept (as is usual in those circumstances) then its primary meaning shifts from "being a boat" to "being a concept of a boat" in whatever way the artist intends (if they're a convincing artist, obv, as I have seen both convincing and unconvincing art, lol).

1c. If I'd encountered the boat as a wreck on the strand next to a fleet of working fishing boats then perhaps it would have been un-boated or at least its boat-ness reduced by comparison ("Is a retired fisherman still a fisherman?" "Yes, he retains all his professional knowledge and personal experience but, no, because he doesn't actually fish."). It also wouldn't have survived long as the weather and people seeking lumber would've unmade it much faster than in a museum where it's actively preserved. So it might have remained a boat briefly but would soon be a pile of lumber and then only the memory of a pile of lumber.

2. Objective versus subjective physicality

What is "boat"*? My basic argument would begin at: "boat" is a floating object that can carry another unfloating object on/above/through* water. So to the perceptions of any animal other than a human the object under discussion is not "boat". But to a human this unfloating uncarrying object can be understood to be a boat because another human, even one unknown to us, communicated their intention that this pile of actively collected and shaped materials should be a boat and should be experienced as a boat. So we are honouring that unknown person's intention by sharing their understanding that this is a boat, even after it ceases to float and carry. Humans expend a lot of time and energy on honouring each others' intentions in ways that most other animals don't most of the time. The next question is, of course, whether an object intended to be a conventional fishing boat but built incompetently so it has never floated and carried could be argued to be "boat" because I don't think many people would honour that intention however well meant....

* If a submarine is "boat" then "through water" (without unintentionally sinking) must be included.

In which you cannot float my boat

May. 13th, 2025 01:34 pm
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Having semantic argument. Send help!

Here is a boat-shaped wooden object that used to be a fishing boat in the 19th-20th centuries but was taken out of the water about 70 years ago and has, naturally, warped so much that it will never be seaworthy again. If the wooden object was pulled apart then individual planks would probably float but while they continue to be fastened together as a single object, the sum of its parts, it would sink.

Poll #33118 Bwahahahaha, no free space ticky for you!
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 20


Is the ship-shaped wooden object that can't float actually boat?

View Answers

Yes, it was built to be a boat, rowed as a boat, it remains an unfloatable boat
15 (75.0%)

No, it's a collection of wood and metal that looks ship-shape but it's lumber
3 (15.0%)

No, not an actual boat because it's not seaworthy but it is a conceptual sculpture of a boat
7 (35.0%)

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- Reading: 51 books to 7 May 2025.

- Readalong: Aurora Australis, this week Trials of a Messman (and reading A Pony Watch for discussion next week):
Text: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Aurora_Australis/Trials_of_a_Messman
Text: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Aurora_Australis/A_Pony_Watch

48. Unincorporated Persons in the Late Honda Dynasty, by Tony Hoagland, 2010, poetry, 4/5

[Quote:] Here is what we know:
history is a car wreck from which
our parents did not escape;
our nation is a career criminal;
we were raised to be liars and deniers.

49. Revisited the 90s via a sequential art time machine. Andi Watson has made much better comics but he was funny from the first. Quasiquotes:
~ Pay your chops, hone your dues, and curve your learning. ~
~ World's Biggest Mini Golf Course! ~
Also lots of visual references to cops as pigs, lol, and a thought bubble about them harassing innocent Black motorists, because decent people already knew Black Lives Matter.

50. Silence, by Gillian Clarke, 2024, poetry, 4/5

[Quote:] Noon silence, and the sun is high.
The cattle drift away,
jigsaw pieces of black and white,
fragmented through trees.

[Quote:] Over city, village, and lonely farm
that old stone, the cold moon
rises, glows
with its borrowed light.

Trees scrawl last words on the sky,
erased by darkness.
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Aurora Australis readalong 3 / 10, Trials of a Messman, post for comment, reaction, discussion, fanworks, links, and whatever obliquely related matters your heart desires. You can join the readalong at any time or skip sections or go back to earlier posts. It's all good. :-)

Text: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Aurora_Australis/Trials_of_a_Messman

Readalong intro: https://spiralsheep.dreamwidth.org/662515.html
Reaction post 1 / 10: https://spiralsheep.dreamwidth.org/663652.html
Reaction post 2 / 10: https://spiralsheep.dreamwidth.org/665029.html

Reminder for next week: A Pony Watch, by George Marston, an account of looking after the expedition's ponies on board ship in rough seas:
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Aurora_Australis/A_Pony_Watch

Trials of a Messman, written by "Messman" who remains anonymous but is presumably one of the otherwise uncredited members of the expedition. This is a humorous account of a messman, i.e. the cook's assistant, waiter, and washer-up, in the 10m x 5.8m hut where the shore party of 16 (15?) men overwintered in 1908 and the content is much more domestic than any of the other contributions to the book so far.

Vocabulary
1. shake a leg = a traditional naval wake-up call, and the response is to show a leg outside the hammock as a sign the occupant is awake and about to get up.
2. told in very concise terms to go to a warmer clime = go to hell.
3. F. R. S. = Fellow of the Royal Society.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fellow_of_the_Royal_Society

Favourite quote:
"he may dig out the frozen mutton, from the snowdrift on the roof" :D

I have nothing much to say about this article except that I enjoyed it and I'm sure it amused and entertained the Nimrodders* and helped keep their morale up.

* Are people on an expedition called expeditors? ;-)
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- Readalong reminder for next week:
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Aurora_Australis/Trials_of_a_Messman

- Citizen science: I photographed male on male mating in a species of invertebrate, which has been confirmed by a specialist (I tend to assume most sexed species with overlapping habitats and active mating behaviour attempt some form of same-sex mating behaviour). [/watching porn for science] Also realised the narrow black flies with red bums that I assumed were sawflies are actually BLOOD BEES, lol. And we had a Fluffy Seed Day. This morning I was asked to participate in an international bio-science project by providing data I'm already collecting and reporting. No additional effort whatsoever? Count me in! :D

- Birb log, 3 May: three pairs of Jackdaws turned up together to raid my lawn for beakfuls of grass clippings, presumably for their nests (we don't mow often and leave the clippings for wildlife, which makes the lawn healthier too). The last two birbs had a mild pecking-order dispute despite there being more than enough bounty for eveyone spread out across a large area. /lol, Jackdaws

- Habitat improvement: now my hayfever is calming down I've hoovered ALL the things.

- Cluttering: I have a sudden yearning to own this monk's seat, although I have neither the space nor a use for it:
https://www.sellingantiques.co.uk/410633/oak-monks-bench-armchair/
Or very second best, this metamorphic chair:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/126637105766

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