Date: 2013-11-25 11:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neadods.livejournal.com
IIRC, Nefertiti was in command of more than that at one point. Moffat may find new love interests for them, but he never takes their power or confidence. Nefertiti's attitude all along was "basically, I rule.•

Date: 2013-11-26 07:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] penguineggs.livejournal.com
And that's why I fall out with formulations such as "reduces them to the love interest" used in things like that Whovian article. First, it assumes that love is inherently reductive, thus setting the scene for people to consider Pride and Prejudice an inherently lesser work than, say, The Old Man and the Sea, but it also leads to people overlooking what else the "love interest" does in the rest of the plot.

Date: 2013-11-26 10:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neadods.livejournal.com
I see what you're saying, but I also get an itch because there's that dismissive attitude in society as a whole that a woman may have nigh unlimited power, but she's somehow not "complete" without romantic love. Which is why I glommed so hard onto your alternate theory of Elizabeth I, because if there was ever a woman in history who was going to look at what both love and marriage did to her mother, stepmothers, sister, cousin, etc., and say "No way in hell am I doing that" it was her.

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