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When I first heard this theory, I thought it was right up there with tinfoil hats, Bigfoot, and "the Government put a radio chip in my brain." The theory: That government approval of faith-based charities wasn't just a breach of church and state, but the first step in the elmination of state support programs entirely as part of the push to recreate the US as a theocracy.

Now, I have no doubts about the theocracy part of that - the calls to return the US to its supposedly Christian roots have been pretty obvious. But surely the Dominionist theocrats wouldn't openly try to dismantle the post-Depression social safety net in favor of church-run groups, would it? Abortion, gay civil rights, science in the schools - all this is fought at the local level. It would be just too obvious, not to mention unConstitutional, to dismantle things on a federal level. Nah, that had to be a totally wild theory.

Then I read the front page of this morning's Washington Post:
Bush has pushed for increased funding for religion-based groups while proposing deep cuts for many traditional anti-poverty programs. The result is that many small church- and community-based social service programs are slowly assuming the lead role in the war on poverty once held by long-established community development organizations. It continues, Bush's 2006 budget proposed slashing public housing subsidies, food stamps, energy assistance, community development, social services and community services block grants -- programs that for decades have constituted the federal anti-poverty fight... At the same time, Bush's budget proposal for next year contemplates adding $385 million in new religion-based programs to this year's eventual total. The federal government awarded more than $2 billion in such grants in 2004 -- nearly double the amount awarded in 2003... While the anti-poverty groups are confronted with an uncertain future, church-based organizations that often provide similar services but often have less experience are flourishing.

Check your blood pressure before reading the paragraphs defending why the church groups should be permitted to discriminate by religion.

Date: 2005-05-17 01:02 pm (UTC)
twistedchick: watercolor painting of coffee cup on wood table (Default)
From: [personal profile] twistedchick
This is what I've been saying for what, three years now?

If you need more evidence, go check out http://www.theocracywatch.org. This site has been documenting the Religious Right's encroachment of the Republicans and thus of the entire government, and everything they link to is real.

Date: 2005-05-17 01:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neadods.livejournal.com
I really didn't think they'd try to be that obvious at the federal level. And of course, fighting this is going to make you anti-poor and anti-Christian... *sigh*

Date: 2005-05-17 01:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deire.livejournal.com
Right now, I'm feeling pretty anti-Christian.

Date: 2005-05-17 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zinelady.livejournal.com
I have a problem with it from a Christian viewpoint. Why should the Christians have to support all the poor? Even though with the governments plan, they are getting help, that is putting a heavy burden on the Churches that have other missions as well as ministering to the poor. I'm not against giving to the poor, but I think the burden should be spread around a bit. Charity is not just a Christian concept.

Date: 2005-05-17 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zinelady.livejournal.com
He obviously can't see farther than his nose.

Interesting that the question came from Centralia MO. That's only about 12 miles from me. It's a tiny town of less than 4,000 people.

Sandy

Date: 2005-05-17 05:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mtgat
Missouri has a large and active pagan community, even in the small towns. I mod the Missouri Pagans Yahoo group (established back when I lived in Rolla) and there's always some activity or community effort happening. It peeves me to no end that "faith-based" only applies if you're the "right" faith.

The other half of the faith-based aid --- since the lion's share is going to go to Christian charities simply because there are more Christians in the country than other faiths --- is that the primary focus of helping people is going to include telling them that their real reward will be in Heaven and that any tribulations they face in life are simply God's way of testing them. It's a mindset I saw a lot back in the days when I was Christian and it bugged me back then too. If I'm destitute, telling me things will get better after I die is all well and good, but job training would be perhaps be more effective in making me no longer poor.

Date: 2005-05-17 06:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starcat-jewel.livejournal.com
"Once you make it clear to any applicant that public money
must go to public purposes and can't be used to promote
ideology," he wrote, "the fringe groups lose interest."


Say WHAT??? What is this whole "faith-based" bullshit about, if it's not public money being used to promote Christian ideology? Oh, but that's different...

Date: 2005-05-17 05:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neadods.livejournal.com
Why should the Christians have to support all the poor?

Considering the way the poor are being treated, my bet is that the first goal is to shut down sectarian relief, and the second is to let the overburdened religious relief shut down from exhaustion.

Actual help for the poor isn't the point, I'm betting.

Date: 2005-05-17 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starcat-jewel.livejournal.com
I agree. The ultimate goal here isn't "helping the poor", it's eliminating the poor... literally. After all, it's their own lazy fault that they're poor in the first place, they don't deserve to be helped.

Date: 2005-05-17 02:56 pm (UTC)
twistedchick: watercolor painting of coffee cup on wood table (Default)
From: [personal profile] twistedchick
The Republican national platform is taken from the Texas Republican Platform, which would make your hair stand on end. You can read it at the Theocracywatch link I listed earlier.

Date: 2005-05-17 04:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neadods.livejournal.com
I've read enough to blow my blood pressure. It's time to start really digging those trenches for the culture war...

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