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Dude! Neil Gaiman is now discussing the BBC v Mazzmatazz issue!
Interesting discussion of Ianto and religion. If it weren't too late, I'd suggest a panel in religion in the Whoniverse, as not only are the character's personal beliefs up for talk, but I think there's a lot of juice in the way the Whoniverse has always classically explained religious phenomena with aliens and skience, but New Who not only has a lot of New Testament imagery, but Torchwood expressly talks about demons and gods. Not aliens, demons and gods. (Short topic title: Gridlock - statement of faith or illustration of atheism? Discuss. In comments if you'd like.)
Top posting: I said in comments that I have what I think is THE song for some of the characters in Doctor Who - that without a fanmix, I think that the lyrics of this one song sums them up perfectly. At some point, I'll try to find that song for everyone. In the meantime:
Rose
Walk of Life/Billie Piper (although it's Billie singing, I think of it as the Doctor speaking)
Lemme care for someone else
I don't wanna talk about myself
I need to shed the light on you
To understand the things you do
Could you share a little time
Break the bread and sip the wine
Now's no time to hesitate
Save me from this heavy weight
Are you gonna walk the walk of life with me
Are you gonna see more than you dream to see
Are you gonna walk hand in hand with me
(Can you be the one who sets my shadow free)
Are you gonna try and understand with me
Are you gonna be the best that you can be
Are you gonna walk the walk of life with me
Walk of life
Walk of life oh
Losing my reality
You can bring this back to me
With you I wanna spend my youth
With you I wanna live the truth
Who can pair so golden now
Sow the seed and grow the flower
Reap the one and clear our sins
This is where our life begins
Are you gonna walk the walk of life with me
Are you gonna see more than you dream to see
Are you gonna walk hand in hand with me
(Can you be the one who sets my shadow free)
Are you gonna try and understand with me
Are you gonna be the best that you can be
Are you gonna walk the walk of life with me
Don't let me walk alone
Now that I have touched my home
There'll always be a place for you
A time, a perfect space for you
You can rest your tired mind
My body’s temple you will find
Walk the walk of life with me
See more than you dream to see
Walk the walk of life with me
Yeah yeah
Are you gonna walk the walk of life with me
Are you gonna see more than you dream to see
Are you gonna walk hand in hand with me
Can you be the one who sets my shadow free
Are you gonna try and understand with me
Are you gonna be the best that you can be
Are you gonna walk the walk of life with me
Are you gonna walk the walk of life with me
See more than you ever dreamed to see
Be the one who’ll set my shadow free
Are you gonna walk the walk of life with me
Being all that, all the best of me
Are you gonna walk the walk of life with me
Are you gonna walk the walk of life with me
See more than you ever dreamed to see
Be the one who’ll set my shadow free
Are you gonna walk the walk of life with me
Being all that, all the best of me
Are you gonna walk the walk of life with me
Are you gonna walk the walk of life with me
Being all that, all the best of me
Are you gonna walk the walk of life with me
Martha
Time for Me to Fly/REO Speedwagon (he asked too much and gave too little, so she left)
I've been around for you
I've been up and down for you
But I just can't get any relief
I've swallowed my pride for you
I've lived and lied for you
But you still make me feel like a thief
You got me stealin' your love away
'Cause you never give it
Peeling the years away
And we can't relive it
I make you laugh
And you make me cry
I believe it's time for me to fly
You said we'd work it out
You said that you had no doubt
That deep down we were really in love
Oh, but I'm tired of holding on
To a feeling I know is gone
I do believe that I've had enough
I've had enough of the falseness
Of a worn out relation
Enough of the jealousy
And the intoleration
I make you laugh
And you make me cry
I believe it's time for me to fly
[Refrain:]
Time for me to fly
Oh, I've got to set myself free
Time for me to fly
And that's just how it's got to be
I know it hurts to say goodbye
But it's time for me to fly
Oh, don't you know it's...
[Refrain]
It's time for me to fly
The Doctor
The Great Historical Bum/Chad Mitchell Trio (written by Woody Guthrie) Does this really need explanation?
I was born about ten thousand years ago
There ain't nuthin' in this world that I don't know
I saw Peter Paul and Moses playin' ring-around-the-roses
And I'll whup the guy what says it isn't so
Well, I'm just a lonesome traveler, a great historical bum
Highly educated through history I have come
I built the Rock of Ages, it was in the year oh one
And that's about the biggest thing that Man has ever done
I saw Adam and Eve driven from the door
I'm the guy that picked the figleaves that they wore
And from behind the bushes peepin' saw the apple they was eatin'
And I swear that I'm the one that et the core
Now I built the garden of Eden, it was in the year oh two
Joined the apple-pickers union and I always paid my dues
I'm the man that signed the contract to raise the risin' sun
And that's about the biggest thing that Man has ever done
I taught Samson how to use his mighty hand
I showed Columbus to this happy land
And for Pharaoh's little kiddies I built all the pyramiddies
And to the Sahara carried all the sand
Now I was strawboss on the pyramids and the tower of Babel too
I opened up the ocean, let the mighty children through
I fought a million battles and I never lost a one
And that's about the biggest thing that Man has ever done
I taught Solomon his little ABC's
I'm the first one to eat Limburger cheese
And while floating down the bay with Methuseleh one day
I saw his whiskers floating in the breeze
Now I fought the revolution that set this country free
It was me and a couple of Indians that dumped the Boston tea
I won the battle of Valley Forge and the battle of Bully Run
And that's about the biggest thing that Man has ever done
Now Queen Elizabeth she fell in love with me
We were married in Milwaukee secretly
But I got tired of snooker and ran off with General Hooker
To go shootin' skeeters down in Tennessee
Suggestions for THE song for all other characters opened in comments. Jack? ("I want your sex" perhaps?) Ianto? Sarah Jane? The Brig?
Interesting discussion of Ianto and religion. If it weren't too late, I'd suggest a panel in religion in the Whoniverse, as not only are the character's personal beliefs up for talk, but I think there's a lot of juice in the way the Whoniverse has always classically explained religious phenomena with aliens and skience, but New Who not only has a lot of New Testament imagery, but Torchwood expressly talks about demons and gods. Not aliens, demons and gods. (Short topic title: Gridlock - statement of faith or illustration of atheism? Discuss. In comments if you'd like.)
Top posting: I said in comments that I have what I think is THE song for some of the characters in Doctor Who - that without a fanmix, I think that the lyrics of this one song sums them up perfectly. At some point, I'll try to find that song for everyone. In the meantime:
Rose
Walk of Life/Billie Piper (although it's Billie singing, I think of it as the Doctor speaking)
Lemme care for someone else
I don't wanna talk about myself
I need to shed the light on you
To understand the things you do
Could you share a little time
Break the bread and sip the wine
Now's no time to hesitate
Save me from this heavy weight
Are you gonna walk the walk of life with me
Are you gonna see more than you dream to see
Are you gonna walk hand in hand with me
(Can you be the one who sets my shadow free)
Are you gonna try and understand with me
Are you gonna be the best that you can be
Are you gonna walk the walk of life with me
Walk of life
Walk of life oh
Losing my reality
You can bring this back to me
With you I wanna spend my youth
With you I wanna live the truth
Who can pair so golden now
Sow the seed and grow the flower
Reap the one and clear our sins
This is where our life begins
Are you gonna walk the walk of life with me
Are you gonna see more than you dream to see
Are you gonna walk hand in hand with me
(Can you be the one who sets my shadow free)
Are you gonna try and understand with me
Are you gonna be the best that you can be
Are you gonna walk the walk of life with me
Don't let me walk alone
Now that I have touched my home
There'll always be a place for you
A time, a perfect space for you
You can rest your tired mind
My body’s temple you will find
Walk the walk of life with me
See more than you dream to see
Walk the walk of life with me
Yeah yeah
Are you gonna walk the walk of life with me
Are you gonna see more than you dream to see
Are you gonna walk hand in hand with me
Can you be the one who sets my shadow free
Are you gonna try and understand with me
Are you gonna be the best that you can be
Are you gonna walk the walk of life with me
Are you gonna walk the walk of life with me
See more than you ever dreamed to see
Be the one who’ll set my shadow free
Are you gonna walk the walk of life with me
Being all that, all the best of me
Are you gonna walk the walk of life with me
Are you gonna walk the walk of life with me
See more than you ever dreamed to see
Be the one who’ll set my shadow free
Are you gonna walk the walk of life with me
Being all that, all the best of me
Are you gonna walk the walk of life with me
Are you gonna walk the walk of life with me
Being all that, all the best of me
Are you gonna walk the walk of life with me
Martha
Time for Me to Fly/REO Speedwagon (he asked too much and gave too little, so she left)
I've been around for you
I've been up and down for you
But I just can't get any relief
I've swallowed my pride for you
I've lived and lied for you
But you still make me feel like a thief
You got me stealin' your love away
'Cause you never give it
Peeling the years away
And we can't relive it
I make you laugh
And you make me cry
I believe it's time for me to fly
You said we'd work it out
You said that you had no doubt
That deep down we were really in love
Oh, but I'm tired of holding on
To a feeling I know is gone
I do believe that I've had enough
I've had enough of the falseness
Of a worn out relation
Enough of the jealousy
And the intoleration
I make you laugh
And you make me cry
I believe it's time for me to fly
[Refrain:]
Time for me to fly
Oh, I've got to set myself free
Time for me to fly
And that's just how it's got to be
I know it hurts to say goodbye
But it's time for me to fly
Oh, don't you know it's...
[Refrain]
It's time for me to fly
The Doctor
The Great Historical Bum/Chad Mitchell Trio (written by Woody Guthrie) Does this really need explanation?
I was born about ten thousand years ago
There ain't nuthin' in this world that I don't know
I saw Peter Paul and Moses playin' ring-around-the-roses
And I'll whup the guy what says it isn't so
Well, I'm just a lonesome traveler, a great historical bum
Highly educated through history I have come
I built the Rock of Ages, it was in the year oh one
And that's about the biggest thing that Man has ever done
I saw Adam and Eve driven from the door
I'm the guy that picked the figleaves that they wore
And from behind the bushes peepin' saw the apple they was eatin'
And I swear that I'm the one that et the core
Now I built the garden of Eden, it was in the year oh two
Joined the apple-pickers union and I always paid my dues
I'm the man that signed the contract to raise the risin' sun
And that's about the biggest thing that Man has ever done
I taught Samson how to use his mighty hand
I showed Columbus to this happy land
And for Pharaoh's little kiddies I built all the pyramiddies
And to the Sahara carried all the sand
Now I was strawboss on the pyramids and the tower of Babel too
I opened up the ocean, let the mighty children through
I fought a million battles and I never lost a one
And that's about the biggest thing that Man has ever done
I taught Solomon his little ABC's
I'm the first one to eat Limburger cheese
And while floating down the bay with Methuseleh one day
I saw his whiskers floating in the breeze
Now I fought the revolution that set this country free
It was me and a couple of Indians that dumped the Boston tea
I won the battle of Valley Forge and the battle of Bully Run
And that's about the biggest thing that Man has ever done
Now Queen Elizabeth she fell in love with me
We were married in Milwaukee secretly
But I got tired of snooker and ran off with General Hooker
To go shootin' skeeters down in Tennessee
Suggestions for THE song for all other characters opened in comments. Jack? ("I want your sex" perhaps?) Ianto? Sarah Jane? The Brig?
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Date: 2008-05-16 03:42 am (UTC)Woman of Heart and Mind by Joni Mitchell and That Made Me Stronger by Stevie Nicks